Thanks @zwolf, and thanks to everyone on the Zooniverse team for re-establishing contact with the NfN talk archive. There is very valuable information there.
If I click "Discussion Boards" at the top of the page (just below the "Notes From Nature Talk" page title), it takes me to https://talk.notesfromnature.org/boards which lists all the talk boards, as expected, but if I click on any of those names, I get an error
The requested content does not exist.
HttpStatusCode: 404
ErrorCode: WebContentNotFound
RequestId : b0b1fad5-901e-0001-1fbb-79269a000000
TimeStamp : 2021-07-15T20:55:44.2770269Z
However, if I click on message on the default (=Recent) page, and then click on the name of the board in the upper left corner, I do get the list of all the discussion threads on that board. So the data is there, but some links are broken. The problem is that there isn't a thread on the main page for every board. It is possible to construct the URL for every board, but you have to be persistent to figure out what the problem is and what the URL is, before you can get to the page you want. Someone who really wants a particular discussion might do that, but someone exploring to learn what's there won't.
I realize that very few people are likely to use the NfN Ouroboros Talk archive - probably only me and some members of the NfN project teams, so I don't expect you (Zooniverse team) to fix the links. The data is there and accessible without much difficulty once you know how. But other projects who have one of these archives that is more widely used may have the same URL problem, so I am going into all of this here because the information might help them.
Here's an example of the problem with the URL, for the NfN "Just Chatting" board:
On the Discussion Boards page (https://talk.notesfromnature.org/boards), the link for Just Chatting is https://talk.notesfromnature.org/BNN0000001. Clicking on it yields the error message shown above.
But after any comment from that board shown on the Recent page, "Discussion boards: Chat: Just chatting" is shown in the upper left corner, but the link for Just Chatting is https://talk.notesfromnature.org/boards/BNN0000001. Clicking on it takes me to the Just Chatting board as it should.
Note the difference is the absence of /boards in the broken link.
Thanks @zwolf, and thanks to everyone on the Zooniverse team for re-establishing contact with the NfN talk archive. There is very valuable information there.
If I click "Discussion Boards" at the top of the page (just below the "Notes From Nature Talk" page title), it takes me to https://talk.notesfromnature.org/boards which lists all the talk boards, as expected, but if I click on any of those names, I get an error
The requested content does not exist.
HttpStatusCode: 404
ErrorCode: WebContentNotFound
RequestId : b0b1fad5-901e-0001-1fbb-79269a000000
TimeStamp : 2021-07-15T20:55:44.2770269Z
However, if I click on message on the default (=Recent) page, and then click on the name of the board in the upper left corner, I do get the list of all the discussion threads on that board. So the data is there, but some links are broken. The problem is that there isn't a thread on the main page for every board. It is possible to construct the URL for every board, but you have to be persistent to figure out what the problem is and what the URL is, before you can get to the page you want. Someone who really wants a particular discussion might do that, but someone exploring to learn what's there won't.
I realize that very few people are likely to use the NfN Ouroboros Talk archive - probably only me and some members of the NfN project teams, so I don't expect you (Zooniverse team) to fix the links. The data is there and accessible without much difficulty once you know how. But other projects who have one of these archives that is more widely used may have the same URL problem, so I am going into all of this here because the information might help them.
Here's an example of the problem with the URL, for the NfN "Just Chatting" board:
On the Discussion Boards page (https://talk.notesfromnature.org/boards), the link for Just Chatting is https://talk.notesfromnature.org/BNN0000001. Clicking on it yields the error message shown above.
But after any comment from that board shown on the Recent page, "Discussion boards: Chat: Just chatting" is shown in the upper left corner, but the link for Just Chatting is https://talk.notesfromnature.org/boards/BNN0000001. Clicking on it takes me to the Just Chatting board as it should.
Note the difference is the absence of /boards in the broken link.
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Hi @LimaZulu - thanks for the detailed bug report, it really does help us investigate reported issues.
I can see that your are subscribed to the 'Chat' board for 'started discussions'. As per your notifications page - these notifications are for 'started discussions' on that board, e.g. 'Elizabeth Started The Discussion, Classification List, On Chat' states the event (started discussion) and the board (Chat) it was happening on.
However i believe some confusion lies when you visit these boards and they aren't on chat, rahter it appears that they have been moved to other non-chat boards by moderators, e.g. this board is moved to help https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/wildcam-gorongosa/talk/79/2414822
I think you need to either change the 'chat' board subscription category away from 'started discussions' to something else or unsubscribe from that board altogether.
I hope this helps.
Cam
Hi @LimaZulu - thanks for the detailed bug report, it really does help us investigate reported issues.
I can see that your are subscribed to the 'Chat' board for 'started discussions'. As per your notifications page - these notifications are for 'started discussions' on that board, e.g. 'Elizabeth Started The Discussion, Classification List, On Chat' states the event (started discussion) and the board (Chat) it was happening on.
However i believe some confusion lies when you visit these boards and they aren't on chat, rahter it appears that they have been moved to other non-chat boards by moderators, e.g. this board is moved to help https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/wildcam-gorongosa/talk/79/2414822
I think you need to either change the 'chat' board subscription category away from 'started discussions' to something else or unsubscribe from that board altogether.
I hope this helps.
Cam
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@am.zooni Thanks for your reply. I was working on subjects with Earthquake detective in 2019 and 2020, and I think that still image that you refer to is just the spectrogram, with the X axis being the time axis, but I could identify earthquake sounds without it, and I told the researchers I was blind, yet They never discouraged me from participating. I think I started some conversations that were useful over there in fact. It isn't as vital IMHO to be able to see their spectrogram as, for example, Deep Sea Explorer, because they weren't as interested in very faint signals with ED. I checked out Deep Sea Explorer yesterday and, though there is audio to play there, there are no sound examples I could find anywhere, and the emphasis is strongly on being able to see the spectrograms, even though on their survey there is a question about whether you do or do not have a visual impairment. I realize that some projects where signal to noise ratio is extremely low such as (perhaps and apparently)Deep Sea Explorer, and (most definitely) Gravity spy may not be usefully worked by ear. As a ham operator I know that these days hams work other hams they can't even hear with their ears. They're using highly specialized digital modes that allow the computer to detect and decode the signal barely above the noise level. I'm sure I mentioned this a couple years ago, but it would be very helpful to have a category that one could browse in projects for blind users, where any projects that were suitable would be included in that list. As it is, I have to read through the entire list, or at least the lists I think might contain audible data, and consider whether a project might potentially be accessible to me before I spend time checking it out. For instance FROG FIND only says this about their project on the projects browsable lists you can bring up.
"Help us find threatened frogs in NSW National Parks. Understanding where they live helps us improve their chance of survival in the future."
Words like sound, hear, hearing, listen, calls, and audio are not included in that description, so I almost dismissed it. Then I thought: wait a minute, frogs are generally really small. A project looking for frogs on camera wouldn't be very practical would it? I bet there's sound involved. So I opened the link and there it was, a very accessible project I could explore. Other VI folks who aren't me who come along might check out this thread: https://www.zooniverse.org/talk/18/1002723 if they think to search Talk for "Audio Projects" or other such keywords. And now that I think of it, I really should go and update that thread after I've checked that the whale Chat and dolphin Chat projects can be participated in just by using sound. The thread seems to have died. I also never got around to really trying to classify subjects in Manatee Chat. Now I see the researcher is the same in all 3 projects. At about the time I was thinking about it, there was talk of a visual drawing tool they wanted to include that would let you pinpoint the sound you heard in the time coordinate. There are ways to do that by ear by slowing down the sound and slow-rewinding and slow-forwarding the sound and using a keyboard shortcut to mark the beginning and end. Reaper calls this scrubbing if I remember right. This is something we who work with sound as musicians, voiceover artists, podcasters etc. can do regularly with accessible DAW's like Reaper, Goldwave and Soundforge, but I don't think the tools to do that could easily be incorporated into a Zooniverse project, that's the impression I got. I haven't been back to Manatee chat to see if they indeed implemented this drawing tool or if they somehow made it markable by ear as I had suggested back in 2020. @cetalingua @vivitang @reinforce
@am.zooni Thanks for your reply. I was working on subjects with Earthquake detective in 2019 and 2020, and I think that still image that you refer to is just the spectrogram, with the X axis being the time axis, but I could identify earthquake sounds without it, and I told the researchers I was blind, yet They never discouraged me from participating. I think I started some conversations that were useful over there in fact. It isn't as vital IMHO to be able to see their spectrogram as, for example, Deep Sea Explorer, because they weren't as interested in very faint signals with ED. I checked out Deep Sea Explorer yesterday and, though there is audio to play there, there are no sound examples I could find anywhere, and the emphasis is strongly on being able to see the spectrograms, even though on their survey there is a question about whether you do or do not have a visual impairment. I realize that some projects where signal to noise ratio is extremely low such as (perhaps and apparently)Deep Sea Explorer, and (most definitely) Gravity spy may not be usefully worked by ear. As a ham operator I know that these days hams work other hams they can't even hear with their ears. They're using highly specialized digital modes that allow the computer to detect and decode the signal barely above the noise level. I'm sure I mentioned this a couple years ago, but it would be very helpful to have a category that one could browse in projects for blind users, where any projects that were suitable would be included in that list. As it is, I have to read through the entire list, or at least the lists I think might contain audible data, and consider whether a project might potentially be accessible to me before I spend time checking it out. For instance FROG FIND only says this about their project on the projects browsable lists you can bring up.
"Help us find threatened frogs in NSW National Parks. Understanding where they live helps us improve their chance of survival in the future."
Words like sound, hear, hearing, listen, calls, and audio are not included in that description, so I almost dismissed it. Then I thought: wait a minute, frogs are generally really small. A project looking for frogs on camera wouldn't be very practical would it? I bet there's sound involved. So I opened the link and there it was, a very accessible project I could explore. Other VI folks who aren't me who come along might check out this thread: https://www.zooniverse.org/talk/18/1002723 if they think to search Talk for "Audio Projects" or other such keywords. And now that I think of it, I really should go and update that thread after I've checked that the whale Chat and dolphin Chat projects can be participated in just by using sound. The thread seems to have died. I also never got around to really trying to classify subjects in Manatee Chat. Now I see the researcher is the same in all 3 projects. At about the time I was thinking about it, there was talk of a visual drawing tool they wanted to include that would let you pinpoint the sound you heard in the time coordinate. There are ways to do that by ear by slowing down the sound and slow-rewinding and slow-forwarding the sound and using a keyboard shortcut to mark the beginning and end. Reaper calls this scrubbing if I remember right. This is something we who work with sound as musicians, voiceover artists, podcasters etc. can do regularly with accessible DAW's like Reaper, Goldwave and Soundforge, but I don't think the tools to do that could easily be incorporated into a Zooniverse project, that's the impression I got. I haven't been back to Manatee chat to see if they indeed implemented this drawing tool or if they somehow made it markable by ear as I had suggested back in 2020. @cetalingua @vivitang @reinforce
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As far as I can see, there is not an easy way to search for projects that use audio.
But these ones do :
Hope this helps.
Thanks for participating !
As far as I can see, there is not an easy way to search for projects that use audio.
But these ones do :
Hope this helps.
Thanks for participating !
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I kind of forgot about Zooniverse for a while, but now I'm back checking for accessible projects, and thought I'd mention here what I've found so far, as this thread would be the quickest way for other users to find the audio projects without combing through everything. Frog find. https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/ollibruuh/frog-find They don't mention sound, hearing, calls, or listen in the description you find on the list of projects, but it is an audio project, and so far I've found it to be very screen reader accessible, but I've only played around with it for a couple hours last night. I found a couple other audio projects, but one is not entirely screen reader accessible due to a hidden target word embedded in an image, https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/fedebul/are-you-talking-to-me-tagging-speech-to-children-and-adults
but I should think this would be easily fixable by making the word a text string or an alttext attributed image at the very least. As of now it's completely hidden in some sort of non-html control the screen reader can't even acknowledge at all. Deep Sea Explorer https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/reinforce/deep-sea-explorers has audio in the bioacoustic section, but the emphasis in the material is solely visual, with no audio descriptions or examples, and I suspect the signal to noise ratio could make working this project impractical by ear alone. They seem to be interested in extremely faint signals. I haven't checked back with Manatee Chat, or checked out Dolphin Chat or Whale Chat to see if they've implemented a visual drawing tool they talked about 2 years ago to zero in on the sound visually. If they have, and there's no audio equivalent such as the sorts of tools you find in DAW's such as Goldwave and Reaper, then a non-visual user might be just wasting time, unable to complete the visual part of the task. I'll post back here if I find out more, or if accessibility issues get resolved.
I kind of forgot about Zooniverse for a while, but now I'm back checking for accessible projects, and thought I'd mention here what I've found so far, as this thread would be the quickest way for other users to find the audio projects without combing through everything. Frog find. https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/ollibruuh/frog-find They don't mention sound, hearing, calls, or listen in the description you find on the list of projects, but it is an audio project, and so far I've found it to be very screen reader accessible, but I've only played around with it for a couple hours last night. I found a couple other audio projects, but one is not entirely screen reader accessible due to a hidden target word embedded in an image, https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/fedebul/are-you-talking-to-me-tagging-speech-to-children-and-adults
but I should think this would be easily fixable by making the word a text string or an alttext attributed image at the very least. As of now it's completely hidden in some sort of non-html control the screen reader can't even acknowledge at all. Deep Sea Explorer https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/reinforce/deep-sea-explorers has audio in the bioacoustic section, but the emphasis in the material is solely visual, with no audio descriptions or examples, and I suspect the signal to noise ratio could make working this project impractical by ear alone. They seem to be interested in extremely faint signals. I haven't checked back with Manatee Chat, or checked out Dolphin Chat or Whale Chat to see if they've implemented a visual drawing tool they talked about 2 years ago to zero in on the sound visually. If they have, and there's no audio equivalent such as the sorts of tools you find in DAW's such as Goldwave and Reaper, then a non-visual user might be just wasting time, unable to complete the visual part of the task. I'll post back here if I find out more, or if accessibility issues get resolved.
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Hello @support,
I would like to bring into notice several spam comments on the general and project talks by a user ashkanbashiri.
The spam comments are :-
Thanks in advance.
Hello @support,
I would like to bring into notice several spam comments on the general and project talks by a user ashkanbashiri.
The spam comments are :-
Thanks in advance.
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This is the chat board for all of the Zooniverse (currently 58 projects) your question sounds specific to one project. It would be more likely to be viewed and answered by the correct people if asked on the chat boards for that project (Exoplanet Explorers???)
This is the chat board for all of the Zooniverse (currently 58 projects) your question sounds specific to one project. It would be more likely to be viewed and answered by the correct people if asked on the chat boards for that project (Exoplanet Explorers???)
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Hi @KristaFB, sorry I didn't spot this for a couple of days. Thanks so much for taking my suggestion to share this link with others. The title you chose for this post is perfect.
But there's a small problem: you posted in on the Chat board on the overall Zooniverse site, where few people who work at Notes from Nature will see it. I'll re-post it there for you.
It should go on the Notes from Nature Chat board instead. It can be confusing. In some parts of Notes from Nature, you will see two menu bars at the top of the screen. The ones on the 'outer' frame (top menu) with a teal (greenish blue) background and white text go to pages on the Zooniverse website. The ones with a brown or lime green background are links within Notes from Nature. If you click anywhere (even on the background) inside the teal page frame, that frame will disappear, and you won't even see the 'wrong' links.
Hi @KristaFB, sorry I didn't spot this for a couple of days. Thanks so much for taking my suggestion to share this link with others. The title you chose for this post is perfect.
But there's a small problem: you posted in on the Chat board on the overall Zooniverse site, where few people who work at Notes from Nature will see it. I'll re-post it there for you.
It should go on the Notes from Nature Chat board instead. It can be confusing. In some parts of Notes from Nature, you will see two menu bars at the top of the screen. The ones on the 'outer' frame (top menu) with a teal (greenish blue) background and white text go to pages on the Zooniverse website. The ones with a brown or lime green background are links within Notes from Nature. If you click anywhere (even on the background) inside the teal page frame, that frame will disappear, and you won't even see the 'wrong' links.
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You can use the Chat board on central Zooniverse Talk to describe and ask questions about natural and scientific phenomena you have observed. Most Zooniverse projects have a "Chat" or similar "general discussion" board. You are probably more likely to find both researchers and volunteers who are interested and knowledgeable if you post on a Talk board in a project whose focus is related to the phenomenon that you observed, than if you post on the central Zooniverse Talk boards.
You can use the Chat board on central Zooniverse Talk to describe and ask questions about natural and scientific phenomena you have observed. Most Zooniverse projects have a "Chat" or similar "general discussion" board. You are probably more likely to find both researchers and volunteers who are interested and knowledgeable if you post on a Talk board in a project whose focus is related to the phenomenon that you observed, than if you post on the central Zooniverse Talk boards.
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Ok, so this chat has been very inactive for one month now. Do you guys think it would be a good idea if some of us just posted some news on this chat?
For example:
Health
Today, according to the World Health Organization (WHO) two confirmed cases of Ebola were reported in Guinea, a neighboring country of Sierra Leone. Will this go away or will this become another pandemic of Ebola? Is this an evolved form of Ebola, or is it the same virus? We will probably get the answers in a week.
(source)
Astronomy
Scientests has found a star that has a "planet" forming that really isn't a planet yet (according to IAU defenition) This new discovery could reveal how our early solar system could have looked. The planet is in a massive asteroid belt, that is in a very early formation of the star and planet.
(source)
Do you guys think this should continue every day?
Ok, so this chat has been very inactive for one month now. Do you guys think it would be a good idea if some of us just posted some news on this chat?
For example:
Health
Today, according to the World Health Organization (WHO) two confirmed cases of Ebola were reported in Guinea, a neighboring country of Sierra Leone. Will this go away or will this become another pandemic of Ebola? Is this an evolved form of Ebola, or is it the same virus? We will probably get the answers in a week.
(source)
Astronomy
Scientests has found a star that has a "planet" forming that really isn't a planet yet (according to IAU defenition) This new discovery could reveal how our early solar system could have looked. The planet is in a massive asteroid belt, that is in a very early formation of the star and planet.
(source)
Do you guys think this should continue every day?
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